[Torg] Announcement: Compleat Magick

[Phil Dack]

Thanks. Have adjusted my spreadsheet to calculate that one properly. Let me know if you want a copy and I'll send it over, might be useful if you're going to go through every single spell!


----- Original Message ----
> From: Dominick Riesland <rabbitball at gmail.com>
> To: torg at justintimeadventures.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 July, 2008 5:47:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Torg] Announcement: Compleat Magick
> 
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Phil Dack wrote:
> > Is it 8+ adds in AK, or is 8+ Divination Modifier of the ward, which can be 
> upto the adds in AK? And is it 8 plus the MoO cost of controlling the Ward 
> aspect (this is how my sheet calculates it, which is why I called the cost 10, 
> but the 8 might be inclusive of that MoO cost)
> 
> >From Pixaud's Practical Grimoire (p.90):
>   "These Aspects are variable, and are not part of the One-on-Many cost:
>   "o Accuracy -- Accuracy is a bonus to hit the target. The to-hit
> increase it the accuracy cost (i.e, a +3 bonus to hit costs 3)
>   "o Wards -- Wards use the caster's divination skill plus knowledge
> adds for whatever is detected to see if they are activated. The ward
> costs 8 plus the knowledge adds."
> 
> > I disagree with your rewrite, because there's a difference imho between 
> affinity and technical knowledge. High perception might be able to create what 
> is, ultimately, a better spell, but the higher AK allows more technical detail - 
> such as enhanced Divination Modifier - into the structure of the tool.
> 
> As written above, a control cost of 9 (8 plus 1 add) can create a
> spell with a divination skill from 8 to 15, depending on the
> Perception of the caster (assuming normal ranges of 7-14 for
> Perception). To avoid this, there are a few options. One would be to
> allow the caster to put in as many adds as he has available, but only
> let the ward detect at a value of 8 plus the adds. This makes arcane
> knowledge adds essential for designing wards, but not for bypassing
> them, as the resisting magician can resist using full value for
> divination. Another possibility is to cap both the design and the
> resistance at 8 plus arcane knowledge adds, but that seems too
> artificial and clunky. Instead, I chose to allow the caster to put in
> as much skill as he thinks will be necessary, up to the his full
> score, and let the spell fight it out based on the value it was given.
> 
> >> There is no process theorem of apportation. It's a throwback to
> >> Pre-Aysle spell design. However, since Worldbook spells do this as
> >> well, I allowed for spells to use magic skills other than the pattern
> >> skill as process theorems if they show significant affinity for the
> >> alternate skill. In this case, the spell shows great affinity for
> >> apportation, and hence that skill could be used as a process theorem.
> >> I would also allow, in light of the increased complexity of impressing
> >> the spell into an object, for range and speed to be usable as process
> >> theorems, which would more than handle the increase.
> > Simpler just to apply Range and Speed, which are the two process theorems 
> relating to Apportation, and drop the Apportation bit, but your call.
> 
> Part of the reason I did so was to because of another spell in the
> Torg Worldbook (Stay Voice) that lists apportation and conjuration on
> the "Manipulation" line, as well as other spells that use apportation
> there.
> 
> Dominick Riesland, aka Rabbitball
> Speaker, 5-Color Rules Committee
> Creator of the Cosmversal Grimoire
> "There are always possibilities, my sergeant told me. But he never had
> his possibilities torn away like wings from a fly."
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