[Torg] Announcement: Compleat Magick

[Dominick Riesland]

Go ahead an send it. I'll look at it and see if it helps out. At the
very least, it will guard against math errors.

Dominick Riesland, aka Rabbitball
Speaker, 5-Color Rules Committee
Creator of the Cosmversal Grimoire
"There are always possibilities, my sergeant told me. But he never had
his possibilities torn away like wings from a fly."


On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Phil Dack <philipdack at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks. Have adjusted my spreadsheet to calculate that one properly. Let me know if you want a copy and I'll send it over, might be useful if you're going to go through every single spell!
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>> From: Dominick Riesland <rabbitball at gmail.com>
>> To: torg at justintimeadventures.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, 2 July, 2008 5:47:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Torg] Announcement: Compleat Magick
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>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Phil Dack wrote:
>> > Is it 8+ adds in AK, or is 8+ Divination Modifier of the ward, which can be
>> upto the adds in AK? And is it 8 plus the MoO cost of controlling the Ward
>> aspect (this is how my sheet calculates it, which is why I called the cost 10,
>> but the 8 might be inclusive of that MoO cost)
>>
>> >From Pixaud's Practical Grimoire (p.90):
>>   "These Aspects are variable, and are not part of the One-on-Many cost:
>>   "o Accuracy -- Accuracy is a bonus to hit the target. The to-hit
>> increase it the accuracy cost (i.e, a +3 bonus to hit costs 3)
>>   "o Wards -- Wards use the caster's divination skill plus knowledge
>> adds for whatever is detected to see if they are activated. The ward
>> costs 8 plus the knowledge adds."
>>
>> > I disagree with your rewrite, because there's a difference imho between
>> affinity and technical knowledge. High perception might be able to create what
>> is, ultimately, a better spell, but the higher AK allows more technical detail -
>> such as enhanced Divination Modifier - into the structure of the tool.
>>
>> As written above, a control cost of 9 (8 plus 1 add) can create a
>> spell with a divination skill from 8 to 15, depending on the
>> Perception of the caster (assuming normal ranges of 7-14 for
>> Perception). To avoid this, there are a few options. One would be to
>> allow the caster to put in as many adds as he has available, but only
>> let the ward detect at a value of 8 plus the adds. This makes arcane
>> knowledge adds essential for designing wards, but not for bypassing
>> them, as the resisting magician can resist using full value for
>> divination. Another possibility is to cap both the design and the
>> resistance at 8 plus arcane knowledge adds, but that seems too
>> artificial and clunky. Instead, I chose to allow the caster to put in
>> as much skill as he thinks will be necessary, up to the his full
>> score, and let the spell fight it out based on the value it was given.
>>
>> >> There is no process theorem of apportation. It's a throwback to
>> >> Pre-Aysle spell design. However, since Worldbook spells do this as
>> >> well, I allowed for spells to use magic skills other than the pattern
>> >> skill as process theorems if they show significant affinity for the
>> >> alternate skill. In this case, the spell shows great affinity for
>> >> apportation, and hence that skill could be used as a process theorem.
>> >> I would also allow, in light of the increased complexity of impressing
>> >> the spell into an object, for range and speed to be usable as process
>> >> theorems, which would more than handle the increase.
>> > Simpler just to apply Range and Speed, which are the two process theorems
>> relating to Apportation, and drop the Apportation bit, but your call.
>>
>> Part of the reason I did so was to because of another spell in the
>> Torg Worldbook (Stay Voice) that lists apportation and conjuration on
>> the "Manipulation" line, as well as other spells that use apportation
>> there.
>>
>> Dominick Riesland, aka Rabbitball
>> Speaker, 5-Color Rules Committee
>> Creator of the Cosmversal Grimoire
>> "There are always possibilities, my sergeant told me. But he never had
>> his possibilities torn away like wings from a fly."
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