[Torg] New Basic Skills

[Chris]

And I don't disagree that it is what members of police or military forces
are trained to do. However, I think it is more like a change in how you
would operate at the base level, rather than how you would actively handle
something. I, myself, can think of examples right now using just the police
mentioned above that would warrant the use of evidence analysis to generate
the result you want, a use of find to generate the result you want, and the
use of perception to generate the result you want. They all have their place
and they are all different.

But to change something that should be passive with the use of a skill,
which implies it is an active process doesn't make sense. There isn't really
a skill you can work to develop that lets you realize more easily that
something is wrong with a room you walk into for the first time. It is how
you perceive the world in general that would allow you to do it. And while I
haven't had the experience of witnessing anyone raise their attributes in
the group I run with, I am under the impression (and could be quite wrong)
that people generally pass on increasing them over the course of a campaign,
and that is why people look to skills for things that may or may not be
better suited as a stat check, given it is cheaper and easier to make a
skill and increase its adds than increase your stats.


Chris
Looking forward to having the possibilities to increase the spirit of my new
character.

2008/11/11 Benjamin Grant <benn at 4efix.com>

>  It occurs to me, though, that perhaps that training people to notice
> stuff is what I think they do with cops, the military, etc.
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> Anyways, the idea of improving your ability to Notice stuff works for me
> either way, but I respect it if that doesn't fly for you or your group.
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> -Benn Grant
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> *From:* torg-bounces at justintimeadventures.com [mailto:
> torg-bounces at justintimeadventures.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:04 PM
> *To:* torg at justintimeadventures.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Torg] New Basic Skills
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> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Benjamin Grant <benn at 4efix.com> wrote:
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> We do not play Shatterzone - I don't think that will be in our future
> either, so no worries on that score.  To my way of thinking, most any time
> you roll a total in Torg, there generally ought to be a related skill that
> you can purchase to become better at the activity.  You can come up with
> exceptions, but I don't think naked Perception checks should be one.  There
> should be some trainable skill that improves your ability to take note of
> details even when you are not actively searching.  I suppose I could have
> simply expanded the Find skill to include it and kept the same name, but I
> felt replacing Find with Notice seemed more accurate, naming-wise, since
> Find to me implies an active search, and the skill I am in need of is one
> for passive note of detail when one isn't necessarily hunting for any.
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> I'm usually one to get info from mailing lists rather than posting to them,
> but this struck me, and I realize that it is a bit behind in the
> conversation, but felt it worth mentioning. I don't think you should be able
> to actively train a skill that will allow you to passively observe more of
> what is around you. If you are going to look for something, you would use
> find, if you are going to notice something, it should be something that you
> are either good at, or not good at, and this would seem to be based on
> Perception (which is able to be increased, to a limit, with a higher cost
> than skills). And it would make sense that it should be hard to actively
> train a passive ability like noticing things around you. I think naked
> Perception for that makes sense, though you could use evidence analysis, in
> all honesty, to "notice" that something does not fit in with the
> surroundings, or that something is out of place like that the drawer of the
> desk you're looking at is slightly ajar when it should be closed and locked.
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> Chris
> Recently deceased Nippon Tech Martial Artist
> (Martyred self to destroy signal fire vampire)
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