[Torg] new screwy ideas for Spirit based skills

[Benjamin Grant]

In a way, though, Charisma and Spirit (as I am trying to understand them) achieve somewhat different result, as opposed to being two different paths to the same or similar results.

Charisma is the natural animal magnetism that attracts people to you, in a way pushing you to like and respond to the character.  Spirit doesn't make you *like* the character at all - it makes you *respect* them.

So while Charisma is more actively steering people by its effect, Spirit gives people a push, but does not specify any particular direction for them to be pushed toward.  Therefore a Charisma based interaction is likely to be much more "directed" - with the assumed direction that the character with the high Charisma causes those around him to like him more and tend to follow his suggestions.  A Spirit based interaction is completely different, with the effect the character with the high Spirit has on those around him being more of a "think whatever you want about me, but I will not be ignored" kind of thing - especially the longer you know the Spirit based character.

Thanks guys, this is really helping me to be able to voice feelings and thoughts I had not put specific words and details to, but now I am.

-Benn Grant
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benn at 4eFix.com
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: torg-bounces at justintimeadventures.com [mailto:torg-
>>bounces at justintimeadventures.com] On Behalf Of Phil Dack
>>Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:51 AM
>>To: torg at justintimeadventures.com
>>Subject: Re: [Torg] new screwy ideas for Spirit based skills
>>
>>This is starting to feel similar to the DC Heroes route, where you have
>>three types of characteristics - Physical, Mental, Social - and each of
>>the 3 has Acting Value, Effect Value, Opposing Value. A system that was
>>very much Torg's progenitor, something that can still be seen in the
>>way Dexterity, Strength and Toughness function for Martial Arts skills.
>>However, Torg flexed this it didn't always rely on the ACting Value to
>>achieve an action - sometimes it was enough just to focus on Effect -
>>hence melee combat being under Strength.
>>
>>In a similar way, the way you describe Charisma and Spirit here might
>>be seen as Dex and Strength, achieving similar results through
>>different means. The Opposing Value in this circumstance might best be
>>coupled with Spirit, in the same way that I initially proposed (I think
>>it was me, tho I may be wrong!!) that you could potentially rationalise
>>Strength and Toughness into one without losing a great deal. It then
>>gives you a nice triumverate of Dex, Str; Per, Min; Cha, Spi - all of
>>which are effectively representing "Agility" and "Power".
>>
>>Phil
>>
>>
>>--- On Thu, 13/11/08, Tommy Tanaka <tommytanaka at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Tommy Tanaka <tommytanaka at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Torg] new screwy ideas for Spirit based skills
>>> To: torg at justintimeadventures.com
>>> Date: Thursday, 13 November, 2008, 3:38 AM
>>> Benjamin Grant wrote:
>>> >
>>> > [...]
>>> >
>>> >> To me, Spirit and Charisma share the same kind of
>>> relationship that Mind
>>> >> and
>>> >> Perception do.  That in a way, Spirit and Charisma
>>> are two sides of the
>>> >> same
>>> >> coin, just like Mind and Perception are.  Just for
>>> the heck of it, I
>>> thought it might be interesting to try these definitions on
>>> for size.
>>>
>>> Charisma measures the strength of a character's
>>> personality: not
>>> just how likable she is but also how effectively she can
>>> communicate
>>> and her ability to form a bond or connection with someone.
>>> Charisma
>>> can be used to gauge a character's attractiveness but
>>> is not necessarily
>>> an indicator of physical beauty, rather the combination of
>>> personality
>>> and appearance.
>>>
>>> Spirit represents the force of a character's
>>> personality. Unlike
>>> Charisma, Spirit does not relate to how well a character
>>> communicates
>>> with others but how well they communicate at others. Spirit
>>> represents the "backbone" of a character's
>>> personality, the power of
>>> their beliefs and convictions, their ability to impose
>>> their thoughts
>>> and opinions onto other people and even onto the world
>>> around
>>> them sometimes.
>>>
>>> Those are, for people keeping score, the definitions from
>>> the Torg rulebook.
>>> :)
>>> (Well, R&E, anyway. I don't have access to a copy
>>> of the original rulebook
>>> at the moment. I assume that Kansas Jim didn't just go
>>> hog wild redefining
>>> the attributes.)
>>>
>>> -Tommy "Scholar is a Perception skill because having a
>>> head full of facts
>>> doesn't do you any good if you can't find the one
>>> you're looking for right
>>> now" Tanaka
>>> --
>>> Marching to the beat of my own horn.
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