[Torg] Spirit Axiom and Cross-Cosm Mythos?
Benjamin Grant
benn at 4efix.com
Wed Apr 29 17:36:51 EDT 2009
OK, I am going to riff off Jeff's questions with my own. I would appreciate
the insights of all of you, especially of course Kansas Jim. I'm not so
much looking for pure opinion as much as what is justifiable given the books
and what is written in them, even if some of that reasoning must be indirect
because direct black and white statements are not available within the
texts.
There's a cosm, call it Sumerian Earth, that has a Spirit axiom of X. In
this cosm, the Sumerian Gods are worshipped by the majority of the populace.
There's another cosm where the Greek Gods hold sway of Spirit axiom Y. A
miracle using PC is from this cosm, but is currently in Sumerian Earth.
1) If the Sumerian Spirit axiom is 23, the core book states that "One mythos
becomes dominant. All others need to create a contradictory reality to
effect their miracles."
Does this mean the PC needs only to make a contradiction check to cast his
miracles? Would that be a 1-case or a 4-case? Or is the PC unable to cast
ANY miracles without raising a reality bubble?
2) If the Sumerian Spirit axiom is 27, the core book states that "All enemy
mythos lose power. No believer in an enemy mythos may access an miraculous
power."
What is an "enemy mythos"? Does this mean followers of the Sumerian god of
Good consider the beliefs of the followers of the Sumerian good of Evil to
be an "enemy mythos"? Or is the entire pantheon of Sumerian gods a single
mythos, and all other mythos' are "enemy mythos'"?
To put another way, is this supposed to make it so that Devil's worshipers
have no power in/near Heaven, or is this supposed to make it so that
miracles of a Muslim origin have no power, while the Devil's miracles work
in Heaven itself.
Is "mythos" the entire pantheon, with enemy mythos any foreign beliefs, or
is "mythos" just one god or side, with the "enemy mythos" being the
adversary *within* the pantheon/belief structure, and foreign religions are
treated as neutral?
And however an enemy mythos is defined, if a PC finds himself in a cosm with
a spiritual axiom of 27 of an "enemy mythos" than that PC is denied all
miracles while he is there? Even invocations?
3) If the Sumerian Spirit axiom is 33, the core book states that it is "A
pure cosm, a cosm in which all aspects of the mythos are literally true. No
other mythos has any access to miraculous powers."
This seems to imply that prior to this level, some other mythos' did indeed
have access to miraculous powers - does this support the interpretation that
level 27 only denies power to enemy factions *within* a pantheon?
In any case, I thought I read somewhere that Spirit 33 cosms were
fundamentally the "home cosms" for the gods and beliefs that they are about.
For example, a level 33 cosm of the Greek Gods would be the source Mount
Olympus, and that these gods would be the one's granting miracles even to
their followers in other cosms. Is this true? Does one of the books say
this somewhere?
For that matter, taking a basic mythos, with a good place we will call
"Heaven" and a bad place we'll call "Hell" - is it the approach of Torg that
these two places (which must obviously have a spirit axiom of 33, right?)
are not part of the Earth cosm (which does not have a spirit axiom of 33)?
Are both Heaven and Hell in the same cosm, just different dimensions within
the cosm, or does it make more sense and is it more supported by the books
that Heaven and Hell are two different cosms - one the source of "good" the
other the source of "evil"?
4) Do ANY of the above answers change depending on the axiom level of the
miracle user's home cosm, or for these questions, are the home cosm axiom
levels irrelevant with regard to the limitations or lack there of of being
in other cosms?
Thanks.
-Benn Grant
eFix Computer Consulting
benn at 4eFix.com
603.283.6601
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