[Torg] Single Shot as Multi-

[Steve Crow]

> From: smooge at gmail.com
> To: torg at justintimeadventures.com
> 
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Steve Crow <crow_steve at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Page 97 of the 2e rules says that "Some single-shot weapons may be fired
>> multiple times in one round."
>>
>>
>>
>> Which single-shot weapons? "Some" suggests that some single-shot weapons can
>> not? Which ones can't?
>>
> 
> We used the common sense rule here. If it took longer than 10 seconds
> to reload.. it couldn't be fired multiple times.
> 
> Browning .45 semi auto  could be fired single as auto (and some
> 1911A's actually have a full auto version).
> Revolvers could be fired single as auto.
> Muzzleloading muskets and flintlocks I would say you can't.
> 
> 

We're talking single as multi-, not single as auto. Just to keep the terminology straight (as we get confused enough by it anyway :) ). Auto-fire is a different concept, at least in Torg terms. "Single Shot-as Multi" only applies to single shot weapons (i.e., weapons without a burst or full-auto mode). Ummm, right?
And in Torg, muzzleloading muskets and flintlocks only have an ammo of 1, so clearly you can't fire multiple bullets anyway and the Single as Multi- rule doesn't apply to them. :)
What non-ROF 1 weapons in Torg take more than 1 round to reload? It seems that ROF would be the limiting factor, not reload time. Something that has a ROF 50 but takes an hour to reload, seems like it would let you still take multiple shots until you run out of ammo.
>> And how many bullets do you have to use to get the subsequent +3 damage
>> bonus described? The example describes Quin as firing "as fast as he can"
>> with his Desert Eagle. The Desert Eagle has a ROF of 6, but it's not
>> described how many bullets Quin is using here.
> 
> I would say he is firing all 6. Remember this is an action movie and
> not reality. Its as many bullets as you can stand in 10 seconds.
> 

Ah. Actually the sidebar on page 96 says it takes up three combat rounds' worth of ammo. So that answers that. :) Unless you have a ROF 2 gun, but presumably it then just uses up all the ammo, same as a ROF 3 weapons. Or it means you can't do it with ROF 2 weapons either.
>> And finally, can you One-on-Many and fire multiple bullets? Given you're
>> already firing multiple bullets, presumably... But as long as you have
>> enough bullets to hit each target twice (say, Quin multi-attacking three
>> opponents and firing six bullets, the ammo of the Desert Eagle), can it be
>> done?
> 
> I would say if its cinematically appropriate yes.. if its not then no.
> [EG think of yourself as a director and you are making a movie.. how
> far is the audience (eg the other players and yourself) going to
> accept weird stuff. [EG if you are doing a 1930's movie.. its ok to
> fire a 6 shooter 100 times before reloading.. if you are doing a
> Terminator universe.. if the gun doesn't jam after 3 shots people
> wonder what went wrong.] My usual rule is.. if they are grouped
> together yes you can add them together.. if they aren't no.
> 



I'm not sure I understand your response. In any realm we're not
suggesting you get more bullets, or combat rounds worth of shots, or whatever,
then what the gun actually has. Only asking if you can One-on-Many and
Single-as-Multi up to your ammo limits (and presumably as long as you use at
least 3 combat rounds worth of ammo per target in the One-on-Many).





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