[Torg] The Magic Axiom Chart (Magic Axiom, 4 of 9)

[Chris]

As the first line of my previous reply states, it was how Tradition was
described, as well as other replies on the subject that resulted in my
confusion/curiosity. It seemed as though Tradition was being tied to Axiom
levels, rather than cultures. Traditions are things people do and observe,
in this case, it is how they perceive and practice magic, but I am trying to
be clear that it is tied to cultures, and not Axioms, since as the thread
went on seemed to be discussing Traditions as part of of the axiom levels,
thus leading to a slight difficulty in comprehension of the original intent.

-chris

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Jasyn Jones <jasynj at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Chris wrote:
>
> > As you describe Tradition, and reading through the other replies, it does
> not seem that everything makes sense. It sounds like Traditions are being
> tied to Axioms, and while I understand that some Traditions might only work
> in Axioms of a certain level, it seems like it should be a choice made
> relative to a culture that the character is from.
>
> I don't fully understand your point here. Traditions *are* an intrinsic
> part of magic. At lower axiom levels, they are quite restrictive (as to what
> an individual mage can do and what symbols he must use to do it). At higher
> Magic axioms, *that same Tradition* becomes less restrictive. At even higher
> Magic axiom, differences between Traditions are overcome; magical knowledge
> and capability has developed enough to overcome the constraints of a
> Tradition.
>
> In what sense does that constrict a person's choice? (A player's, in this
> case.) If a character learned magic in one world, he could be of any
> Tradition available in that world. That's not limited by the axiom chart,
> either explicitly or implicitly.
>
> > "On Earth, Traditions include: Vodoun, Kaballah, Enochian magic,
> geomancy, and Pythagorean magic."
> >
> > The above would imply that anyone from Core Earth would be able to choose
> from one of those, or
>
> [,,,]
>
> > But within Core Earth, a mage should be able to choose his Tradition
> according to what we know on Earth,
>
> […]
>
> > While they would likely choose a Tradition that allows for all the things
> available to Aysle's axiom, the Traditions of Earth would/could technically
> exist there, and could be chosen by an Ayslish mage,
>
>
> I am uncertain as to what entry on the chart suggested that they couldn't.
> Nothing in the chart, that I can see, mentions membership in a Tradition or
> choosing between multiple Traditions or being unable to choose  or anything
> of that sort. That's material that just isn't there.
>
> What is present is:
>
> 5- A body of magical lore can be accumulated…magical Traditions can be
> formalized. Organizations based on a Tradition are possible.
>
> 7- The magical symbology of a Tradition can be formulated as a detailed
> series of magical laws.
>
> 8- The rudiments of spells and spellcasting are developed...The
> spellcaster’s Tradition limits what effects are possible.
>
> 9- Spells can be translated between Traditions.
>
> 12- Traditions no longer limit the type of [spell] effects that are
> possible.
>
> 13- Knowledge of the fundamental nature of magic allows mages to transcend
> the limitations of a Tradition.
>
> None of these mention membership, or choosing or anything like that.
>
> I'm not trying to be a jerk, I really just don't understand what implied
> the limitations you perceive. I would like to be able to reword the material
> in such a manner as to eliminate the source of the misunderstanding.
>
> Or is it a lack of information that is the problem? If I left out crucial
> information, I didn't mean to do so. Do I need to add some material defining
> what a Tradition is? (In addition to the "10 of 10" post.)
>
> > I am actually trying to gain a better understanding of what is being
> suggested as, thus far, it seems to be a rather general description which
> can be interpreted in a number of ways.
>
> Well, there is a lot of detailed information that wasn't posted, because it
> would be too much information. I intentionally omitted it, to avoid
> information overload. I tried to strike a balance between "too much" and
> "too little."
> --
> Jasyn Jones
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>
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