[Torg] Re: 10 Scale Tech Chart

[Chris]

Jasyn,

The disclaimer I placed at the top of the message was saying that it was not
a direct reply to you. So the comments about not advocating a 10 scale
system is moot. And the question that was posed was intended to convey the
idea that penicillin, which we commonly use in Core Earth, is less than the
Tech rating of CE, and yet likely higher than the Tech rating of other cosms
beneath its own rating on the chart. That in between space is what I am
trying to point out cannot exist on such a small scale chart where there are
no gaps between entries. And it becomes a much more tricky situation when
playing a game and someone sees that this item is tech X, and their cosm
happens to be tech X, but they cannot use it because it is not something
they either developed in their cosm, despite their tech rating, or don't use
for reasons that may not be obvious for a while.

-chris

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Jasyn Jones <jasynj at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Chris wrote:
>
> > Again, short response to why not 10, just because it popped into my head
> a minute ago, and this is the most recent post: while the cosms may live on
> determined axiom levels, all of the things we use in any given axiom may be
> 50 years or 100 years old. We still use penicillin, right? How long ago was
> that? Would it be considered part of the current tech rating for Earth?
>
> I'm not sure exactly what question you're asking. The axioms are like a
> speed limit (to analogize), saying "this advanced and no further."
>
> So, strictly for the axiom itself, yes, Tech 23 means that the cosm
> supports penicillin and any other advances from 0-23.
>
> Does a 23 mean that a cosm must have penicillin? No, that's not compulsory.
> Any given Tech 23 cosm might not have it.
>
> Is axiom 23 the Tech requirement for penicillin? No. It's possible at a
> lower Tech.
>
> > So again, while axiom ratings may have a way to be boiled down to 11
> entries for the cosms themselves, all of the things living in the cosms need
> more space to exist.
>
> Again, I'm not arguing for a 10, I'm not even saying it's a good idea. My
> only comment was "I understand the logic and I can see why you might do
> that, but I wouldn't."
>
> Even so, a 10 scale means that Axiom 6 (Core Earth on the chart below)
> allows for everything up to and including 6, which includes penicillin. No
> other axiom is, of necessity, required.
>
> Does a 10 scale have fewer entries? Of course. Does that mean that not
> every conceivable cosm would have its own unique Tech? Of course. Does this
> matter? It is a consideration that game designers would need to keep in
> mind. There are others, but this is definitely one.
>
> Again, I understand what you're saying. IMHO, a 10 scale is too few for
> Torg (even for Alexandre, because he is now thinking of a 13 scale). But, I
> can understand Alexandre's reasoning and from a practical standpoint of
> running a single game with specific cosms and not adding many more, his
> point is correct.
>
> (Alexandre wrote:)
>
> >> >>>  Ex for a tech scale :
> >>
> >> >>>  0 : none
> >> >>>  1 : furs and wall painting LL
> >> >>>  2 : Antiquity, Land Below, Tz Ravok.
> >> >>>  3 : Aysle
> >> >>>  4 : Orrorsh
> >> >>>  5 : Nile Empire
> >> >>>  6 : Core Earth
> >> >>>  7 :Nippon Tech
> >> >>>  8 :CyberPapacy Tharkold
> >> >>>  9 : Space Gods
> >> >>>  10 : Full Tech, Time Travel and so on.
>
> --
> Jasyn Jones
> jasynj (at) gmail (dot) com
>
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